[yorgo4u]

Hey everyone,
I would like to know some Informations About "Sonicview Ihub" If it's SAFE or NOT SAFE?
Mean they will trace my IP Address???

Please who have any idea about it?

Thanks

[James M]

Depending on where you live you could face both civil and criminal charges (I can think of several that apply in Canada).

Anything that involves TCP/IP can be traced... I guess you could get around this(mitigate the risk) by using foreign ISP's, encryption, vpns, etc but this quickly becomes complicated and still has several vulnerablities... etc..

When the system is compromized or taken down by law enforcement etc there will be complete detailed records of every transaction. The provider will now be able to calculate actual damages as they will have the viewing records of all showes etc.


Your much better off to purchase a sub or find a close group of friends to start your own IKS sharing service...

[yorgo4u]

Good One,

But if i am in Canada is that mean i can Use Only Dish right?
Or can i can use Bev also?

I need A "FACT" you know?

But anway thanks for you're reply it's help,

[wwbbs]

Well not sure what fact your looking for but, basically if your caught you will end up with both civil and criminal charges regardless which providers stream you hijack.

These new methods are innovative to say the least but you can tell the people selling this stuff are only in it for the monies, as all this ihub is as well as the slinger is a common RS-232/422/485 to Ethernet Servers for Secure Device Networking.

The cost should be around $35~$80 depending on a few factors.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Originally Posted by yorgo4u

Good One,

But if i am in Canada is that mean i can Use Only Dish right?
Or can i can use Bev also?

I need A "FACT" you know?

But anway thanks for you're reply it's help,

It violates the Canadian Radio Communication Act to watch Dish in Canada.



GS2

[Team MonteCarlo]

And remember, all of the "dealers" selling "bullet proof" IKS systems that "can't be traced" are also the same ones that have said at every card swap "if man made it, man can break it". So it comes down to if you personally think Bell or Dish have the money or ambition to take out any and all unauthorized viewing.

And as far as trusting who you buy from, the operators of the Slinger server were stupid enough to announce in a public forum that their dealers do keep records of all Slingers sold, specifically the IP of the units.

[James M]

This is the main reason not to utilze these services. (well go ahead and use them if you figure the risk/reward is worth it -- most of the cases that have went to court in the usa and canada had minimal fines and other penalities ie probation and forbid the use of computers and cell phones..)

You see the USA has ultimate powers when it comes to snooping on our communications so it's not that it's difficult for either dish or bev to lobby for results. All they have to do is say that these companies providing the service are supporting terroists or drug dealers or corporate espionage... And they now have access.

If your somewhat familer with TCP/IP and the Internet you will quickly realize that most traffic does travel through the USA.

[barquentine]

Originally Posted by James M

Depending on where you live you could face both civil and criminal charges (I can think of several that apply in Canada).

Anything that involves TCP/IP can be traced... I guess you could get around this(mitigate the risk) by using foreign ISP's, encryption, vpns, etc but this quickly becomes complicated and still has several vulnerablities... etc..

When the system is compromized or taken down by law enforcement etc there will be complete detailed records of every transaction. The provider will now be able to calculate actual damages as they will have the viewing records of all showes etc.


Your much better off to purchase a sub or find a close group of friends to start your own IKS sharing service...

How could they have the 'viewing records of all shows'? ISK is only passing on an 8 bit code, it is only part of the complete key, it is not a programme file that is being distributed.

[wwbbs]

Originally Posted by barquentine

How could they have the 'viewing records of all shows'? ISK is only passing on an 8 bit code, it is only part of the complete key, it is not a programme file that is being distributed.

Well it really depends on the setup of the server etc, but basically the server spools control words and distributes them to everyone using IKS. So when you change the channel the IKS Device Calls home and requests the appropriate "Control Word" so they would know which channels or possibly just the tier (perhaps someone with more knowledge could confirm if the CW are different for each channel or specific to tiers. ) So unless the IKS provider is extremely good at security and wiping out the temporary files... etc..

More to the fact just through wireshark on the line and you will see the packets as they are sent and received.

BTW I believe it's a bit more than 8 Bit's that's only 1 Byte. IIRC the new keys are 128 Bit = 16 Digits. or 16 Octets to be precise.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

To me one of the dangers is the supplier being sued with consequently getting court orders to hand over user information or the supplier's dealers getting court orders to hand over records of sales of receivers/IHubs of their customers. Theres not much defense to saying that you purchased these Hubs for other uses other then to receive signals unlawfully.



While the exposure is not high of legal problems in my opinion no one can or should guarantee complete safety. Like anything else you are rolling the dice. Providers will try every legal means to stop the activity including going after end users if at all possible.



GS2